Thursday, 4 September 2025

Minutes of ETUG Meeting - 21st August 2025 at 19:00hrs

 Minutes of ETUG Meeting - 21st August 2025 at 19:00hrs 


Held in the D Block Ground Floor Room 3 of the Enfield Civic Centre



  1. Chair’s Welcome 


Chair Ray Knight welcomes everyone to the meeting


  1. Apologies


Members Present: Ray Knight, Dave Cockle, Sean Cirillo, John Prior, Peter Smith, Cllr Peter Fallart, Bill & Jo and Faye Medcalf


Apologies received: John & J Williams and Peter Jeffrey



  1. Matters arising from the previous meeting 



Platform 2 Waiting Shelter at Silver Street is the current obstacle requiring improvement at the station. 


PS: Raised on the 456 route at North Middlesex Hospital. 



     4. Train Operating Companies



I. Govia Thameslink (Great Northern & Thameslink) 


  • 93.4% of services are on time, and 7.98% of services are cancelled for Great Northern, and 81.4% of services are on time, and 9.57% of services are cancelled for Thameslink. 


  • The Model Stations Pilot establishes a benchmark for effective stations, featuring clear layouts, well-designed signage, intuitive wayfinding, informative posters, and consistent passenger information. Enfield Chase is part of the scheme.  


  • TfL and the Department for Transport have restarted talks about taking over Great Northern services, but it’s still early days.
    Possible improvements include more frequent trains, better performance, and bringing fares and info into the TfL system.
    Nothing is confirmed yet; it depends on cost, feasibility, and how it fits with the new East Coast Main Line timetable due in December 2025. The final decision will be made by the Transport Secretary. If it goes ahead, the transfer could take about two years to complete.



II. Greater Anglia 


  • 92.45% of services are on time, and 1.6% of services are cancelled. 



III. London Overground, Weaver Line 



  • 92.8% of services are on time, and 2% of services are cancelled


  • There’s no formal commitment from TfL or the GLA to the proposed 4+4 service. TfL would only consider boosting peak services if crowding hit four people per square metre, and even then, it would depend on funding, value for money, and priorities. At present, no discussions are taking place about buying extra trains to support such an increase.



IV. London Underground



  • Testing of the new trains is taking place with a successful run on a tunnel run on run from Northfields Depot to Green Park. 

  • The new Piccadilly Line trains have been delayed until 2026. 

  • TfL has outlined eventual plans for mobile coverage on both the Piccadilly and Victoria line tunnels. This will include the entire line of the Victoria Line and south of Arnos Grove. No timescales have been given, however. 



B & J: Has said there are technical problems with the train, as to the delay into 2026. 



     5. Updates on Bus Services 


  1. Bus Performance Stats


  1. High Frequency Routes:


  1. Route 251: 0.657

  2. Route 184: 0.783

  3. Route W8: 0.897

  4. Route 191: 0.957

  5. Route 125: 1.010


II. Low Frequency Routes: 


  1. Route 327: 91.677%

  2. Route 317: 88.143%

  3. Route 382: 86.107%

  4. Route 491: 84.340%

  5. Route 456: 81.260%



B. Network Updates: 



  • Route 456 will have its frequency increased on Sundays from 1bph to 2bph. It will commence on March 14th 2026, once its new contract starts. 

  • Route 610 UNO will be withdrawn from Cockfosters as part of a wide restructuring of routes in Hertfordshire. Users are encouraged to take the 298 to Potters Bar, where interchange to Hatfield Services will be available. Changes will take place from the 31st of August. 



RK: Raised on Hail & Ride and irregular timetables for Route 377. 


DC: Raised Bus Stop J Carterhatch Lane, wrong signs. 


Secretary to note this. 



     6. Transport Accessibility 


FM: Leaning Disability Transport end of contract. 


Last meeting May within TfL. So there won't be engagement from TfL



     7. ETUG Website and Subscription 

  1. ETUG’s Website 


  • Total of 634 Views over the last three months. 

  • Most access is via Google, whilst Facebook continues to remain another secondary point of access.


  1. ETUG’s Subscription


  • 58.1% of average email openers 

  • Continues to retain a total of 46 members, including the committee. 



JP: Reported two new followers on the ETUG Facebook Account.



     9. A.O.B


FM: Raised on ETUG to be consulted as part of wide transport initiatives within Enfield 


The secretary raised this and asked Chris Cole.


DC: Noted that there may be replaced gate lines with new gen gates designed to be resistant to fare evasion at Enfield Chase Station. 


The committee agreed to host the AGM meeting online in February. 


B&W: Two or three new bus lanes, Green Lanes, not full on weekends, 24 hours a day.

The secretary will follow up with Chris Cole. 


Ray Knight ended the meeting by thanking everyone for attending the meeting. 


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